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๐ŸฅŒ The Weight of Friendship

I'm surely biased because this kind of stuff is exactly up my alley but I really love this text you wrote to go with these two renders. Kagemaru was already one of my absolute faves as you know but with this.... even more so ๐Ÿ’ฆ๐Ÿ’ฆ
--Alldenspa

โ™ฆ๏ธ Nimble Hearts

I love how expressive they both are, especially the one on the left! The pose and the look, it's just so full of character. The rendering of clothing and textures is obviously also great, I feel like that almost goes without saying. As the other commenter was mentioning, it seems like you can almost feel the softness of the clothes. Beautiful!
--Alldenspa

๐Ÿงฌ Side Effect 2

I love this! What a crazy pose, and the whole body is beautifully rendered in classic Yuni fashion. A hit!
--Alldenspa

๐Ÿฅจ Prince Willy's Antics

What a beautiful pose and composition. I find myself enchanted!!
--Alldenspa
Thank you so much! It was inspired by the contortionist Isabelle Chassรฉ's promotional photos for Cirque du Soleil's "Nouvelle Expรฉrience" show (1990). Alas, google doesn't seem to have these pictures anymore, maybe they're way too old. The original also had a full bodysuit with a rich pattern, but I think it's the bare legs that make this pose really flourish :D

๐Ÿ’Œ Feedback Corner

A very commendable stance on your part, I think, one can't get much more reasonable than how you're approaching it. I know we've had differences in the past about genAI but I don't hesitate to admit that for somebody who DOES embrace using it, you're doing it in the most respectable way possible. It's a shame people call your assisted artworks cheating or simple. But then again, I guess it's very easy to get confused with this new tech, it is difficult to understand what's going on under the hood, after all. I just had an exam earlier today about Deep Learning and it's absolutely insane how complex these technologies are. No wonder non-tech people misunderstand all sorts of aspects of it all the time.
--Alldenspa
I think there's a much bigger challenge ahead for me than people calling my works bad or anything. I don't know what is causing it but it seems like people's disinterest in my work is reaching its peak lately, so it's already starting to feel like a personal Great Depression these days. I think all these questions, AI, art, everything, will simply not matter soon ๐Ÿ˜‚
I completely share your views about these AI scammers and similar folk, it's nice to hear we're on the same page there because sometimes I feel a bit guilty for taking these kinds of "extreme" stances against certain groups of people so it's reassuring to hear you agree. And most of all thank you for taking the time to write out such a detailed response to my message from yesterday! I really appreciate it. You make some very convincing points, so thank you! :D --Alldenspa
The problem is that most of the AI-assisted art I did for the main gallery took quite a lot of work, that's why it hurt me when people called it easy or cheating. It certainly wasn't easy for me, even if the results were better than anything I could do by hand. It's just better, not easier.

But this anime model is something I don't even want to call "my art", it doesn't look like my art, it doesn't feel like my art, and it doesn't take any effort to do at all. So when I see others making similar low-effort content and acting as if they're trendsetters in the digital age, I feel a strong urge to give them a good old-fashioned sock to the jaw.

So at least I will try to get people to know how simple it is to create this sort of artwork, then maybe my fans wonโ€™t be misled into giving money to some jerk on Patreon who wants $25/mo for their crap that anybody with an average laptop and no artistic skills could make without breaking a sweat.
Alldenspa here, I wasn't aware you added the "AI Imagebord" section until today, and I'm pretty quite away by the images there. I've seen lots of AI art all over the internet, but not specifically contortion-themed and typically of much lower quality.
Looking at some of these posts though, it's incredible that AI is able to generate something like that with just a few clicks. I'm browsing through this secondary gallery and obviously your "main" artworks are way more artistic and elaborate, but still, like... I mean, just look at these AI artworks - As an artist I find it very, very difficult indeed to even see any point in picking up a pencil any more. I couldn't remotely imitate the quality of these "drawings" even if I tried for hours - my technical ability as well as my willingness to invest effort have become completely irrelevant.
I hope other people see it differently and take some sort of encouragement or inspiration from genAI, but for me personally, I have to say that while the images are beautiful and all sorts of other positive things, I find them, above all, incredibly discouraging.
I'm trying to get to a mentality like in chess, where chess computers that are superhumanly strong have been commonplace for a long time now, but I find it very hard. And also, I'm not talking about your "main" artworks (which might be called "AI assisted"), that's a different thing entirely since much human effort goes into it. These fully AI-generated illustrations though... They're so incredibly high quality for so cheap, if you can put it that way.
Don't mistake me, I'm not trying to ask you to make any changes or take pictures down or anything like that, I just wanted to put these thoughts to paper, not even necessarily directed at you, just trying to put this feeling into words. I wonder how many other artists are out there who don't only feel like genAI is stealing from them, but who also have this feeling of discouragement that I described above. I certainly know of a handful among my friends/colleagues, and I have struggled with this problem a lot over the past year or two, since this whole AI thing started.
In that sense, it can be said: We're all very fortunate that you were not likewise affected, but instead you've been inspired and have embraced genAI fully. A lot of cool artwork has come from it so far, which we should be grateful for.
-Alldenspa
There's definitely a point in picking up a pencil. It's a much better feeling to draw something by yourself! Art has always been a process and not just the result.

The images in the /ai/ section make me feel nothing, it only feels good that at least I invested a lot of time into building proper ComfyUI workflows, so it pleases me in a way because I love figuring things out and doing at least something myself. But the results I'm getting indeed feel like cheating, it's very strange to type a few words and get a perfect picture. It's too much output for very little input, but I'm trying to think how to make more complicated and artistic with 3D models, so I have at least something to do.

So here we come to the main point. The bad folks who actually consciously use this as an easy way to make money. All those freaks on Patreon who download everything for free but dare to take donations for their work, pretending there's some hard work behind the curtain. Many people are working very hard to build these technologies and models, and it's all free, while those freaks who advertise themselves all over DeviantART, dare to use these results to make money for themselves.

And I don't care if they're just poor folks, simply trying to do something for a living or anything like that. Robbers from the street are also just trying to make some money, they beat up old ladies and steal from school kids, and them being needy is no excuse for their crimes. Every single guy who has put AI art advertisers on DeviantART deserves to get banned for making their paying customers believe that they're buying something worthy and that there's a lot of hard work behind their AI art. It's an absolute scam and all those Patreon artists must be treated as scammers.

To say that AI art discourages you is like saying "what's the point in doing any honest work like farming, cooking, making clothes, building houses, etc, when you can simply go and rob some guy". Yes, it's discouraging that there are criminals who cross the border of morality to get what they want as quickly as possible, but please keep working on your honest art, because at least you have real skills and the real process of making art. You have the real feelings behind it, unlike people who just ask a genie to magically make art for them and they get the perfect results they can't even control, and they get them way too quickly, while at the same time they couldn't draw even a stick figure without the AI.

I already had this problem with all the 3D artists long before the AI era, it always pains me to read how a 3D artist who had downloaded all the assets for Daz Studio, still pretends very hard to be a proper artist. They probably have some common mental trauma from being a liar for years, because they all act in a very similar manner. You wouldn't believe how many people I've seen on DeviantART who honestly believe that their 3D stuff is "real art", when all they really do is clicking a few presets from several assets they downloaded. Every single Daz Studio user is like that, truly believing they're doing some hard work. I bet you could get a degree in psychology by studying their behavior and how Daz Studio alters their vision of reality. And when the AI emerged, they were the first to start posting blogs like "omg that new technology is totally cheating, please ban AI!" I mean look at yourselves, you haven't even made a single texture by hand, let alone a 3D model. It's very common to accuse others of something you're guilty of yourself, because then you have a very good picture of their sins because they're also your own sins. Of course, the 3D results are sometimes pleasant and I leave comments, congratulating on very nice *results*, but only because I'm kind of too friendly and tend to encourage people, even when I know they don't really deserve it and all they really did was drag a few sliders.

For me, both 3D art and AI art are still valid forms of art that shouldn't be condemned as such because the *results* at least are nice. It's just the people who say "this render took 25 hours" to fool their followers into believing that there's something difficult about their art process, it's them who make me sick. Their renders take 25 hours because they don't even know how to adjust the render settings properly, not because they put a lot of work into it. They don't have even minimal skills to be digital artists. But as long as they make contortion/femboy art, I try to not get under their skin too much, because I'm not naturally angry and it's much easier to stay positive. It's their lives, if they want to waste their lives being a nobody, an "artist" without an art process, so be it. Some people are crippled and don't even have arms for example, but they still tend to have way more skillful and artistic lives than all those 3D and AI artists. But in the end, art is more important, and art can take many forms, even if something is not too difficult to make. I only have a problem with people when they try to scam others and mislead their followers, but I've also noticed that such accounts are short-lived, cheaters are just coming and going, they lose the interest because they don't have any real process behind their work, so eventually their own emptiness will crush them from the inside.
Hello Yuni, this is Alldenspa. Over the past weeks I've been working on a piece of fanart for Kagemaru, which will be finished very soon. If you're interested in seeing it, please make contact with me via discord or maybe Deviantart messaging, I think those are the only ways I can send it to you as I don't have your email address or anything like that. Have a nice day!
-Alldenspa
Thank you so much for your hard work my friend ๐Ÿฅฐ
Loving this one! What an interesting idea for a pose, and the character is a real cutie :D
-Alldenspa
Thank you so much! ๐Ÿฅฐ I'll need to post another version of it where the legs are more straight. I think the character might as well be Helmut given his love for unusually extreme angles ๐Ÿ˜

๐Ÿฎ The Flexorcist Monastery

The picture is absolutely enchanting in its own right, but I'm especially in love with the story you wrote this time! So much so that at first I didn't even pay much attention to the artwork itself xD Now that I'm looking at it longer, I love the shape of his torso and the legs. The face is lovely too. Beautiful! And all that without even adding any nsfw elements. It's fantastic :D I wish I had a suit like that!
-Alldenspa
Thank you so much!! I'm so happy you enjoyed this story, I really wanted to write more about Yanfeng Gu's childhood one day and explore the idea of the monks who have contortion superpowers. So glad you liked the pose and the outfit :D

๐ŸฅŠ The Perfect Match

A stunning piece, Yuni! And no I'm not biased because it's Helmut! The pose is truly fantastic and I love the little story, getting to see some casual interaction between those two. And for me personally, all the nsfw components wouldn't even have been needed to make this great, I just enjoy seeing my favorite boys of yours get some quality time together. It's wonderful!
--Alldenspa

๐Ÿšซ Access Denied

This is horrible to hear! I've been wracking my brain as to what could be causing this drop in traffic you've been experiencing... Surely it's no coincidence, and it can't be about the quality of your posts either. Even if there are people who don't like your new series it would never result in such an extreme drop. I'm dumbfounded, no idea what could be causing it. Hearing you've been struggling so much breaks my heart, I hope you feel better soon. I can't imagine what it'd be like not to see your art anymore :(
But it's not just about your art! You're a human person like all of us, it's unfair to somehow "calculate your worth" just by the art you produce. If a break is what you need, then take it. Do take care of yourself! And if you want to chat, my discord messages are always open, as you know. I'd love to talk about the Flex Men or anything else, really.
--Alldenspa

โŒ FleX-Men

Absolutely adoring this piece, I love the mood and especially his facial expression! The pose is beautiful too, I'm enchanted!!
--Alldenspa
Thanks, Allden! I had a great time making it and it's the concept I once told you about before. So glad the project is finally in the publication phase! And couldn't agree more about the pose, if I were allowed to enjoy my own stuff haha... ;D

๐Ÿง˜โ€โ™‚๏ธ A Feminine God

What an interesting pose. I'm enchanted! The details of his body are exquisite!
--Alldenspa
What can I say? Nothing like a hot muscled twink to get the artistic juices flowing... ๐Ÿ’ฆ

๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ The Supple Battalion II

I'm stunned!! What a beautiful pose and composition! And I love his expression. Absolutely beautiful, I can hardly take my eyes off.... o.O
--Alldenspa
Thank you so much for a beautiful comment. It's really touching to hear such heartfelt words from a fellow contortion artist! I'm sure you know how much I value your own beautiful art at www.deviantart.com/alldenspa and your kind words! So glad we keep inspiring each other in the world that doesn't always appreciate our passion for flexibility ;D

๐Ÿ‘” A Twist on Mom's Wisdom

This clear side view is perfect for showcasing this pose and the subtle proportions of his body parts. I'm enchanted! Truly beautiful.
--Alldenspa
Once again this is a pic that just just stunned me the moment I first saw it and it took a couple of moments for me to process it! I think it's absolutely stunning! I love the pose so much, and the facial expressions! Seeing Helmut be this swole is also very interesting and unexpected. I just immediately feel that I want to be there and watch them in person... What a great artwork!
--Alldenspa

๐ŸŽ Hachi Sixpack 2

You're right, its positively amazing how well these turned out without any edits, the third and sixth one particularly, in my opinion. We live in marvelous times!
Also, I want to thank you for replying to my comment the other day, I really appreciate hearing back from you on that matter.
---Alldenspa
I'm so happy you liked these results! This technique truly is amazing, but it does require a considerable amount of unique training data. Fortunately, I had plenty of my old art with waists cinched and twisted, without those it would be nearly impossible to get results like these, even with tons of edits.

This is actually my 4th iteration of the waist-cinching model that I started about 5-6 months ago. At first, it wasn't good at all and needed tons of photoshopping to fix, but now it seems almost perfect out of the box :3

I've been also experimenting with imitating my old hand-drawn art with the AI, but it's still quite far from the results I'm after...